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JT Poston, right, and his caddie, Aaron Flener, after Poston’s win on Sunday.

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Check out weekly unfiltered opinions from our editors and editors as they break down the hottest topics in sport and join the conversation by tweeting us. @golf_com. This week we discuss LIV Golf’s event in Portland, the PGA Tour and DP World Tour response, Tiger Woods and more.

1. The PGA Tour vs. LIV battle took its long-awaited turn this week, when the upstart tour played on American soil for the first time, taking on the Tour. Let’s start with the big picture: what did you learn from the confrontation of two men’s tours? Would the competition be good? Could this dilute the product? Something else?

Bryson DeChambeau at Pumpkin Ridge.

As LIV’s golf revolution came to America, here’s what it felt like on the course

By:

Dylan Dethier



James Colgan, Associate Editor (@jamescolgan26): It made not help the PGA Tour stage the John Deere – one of the weakest events each year in terms of field strength – against LIV’s maiden voyage on American soil. Now, I didn’t think the LIV event proved much (other than maybe it’s a good idea for Talor Gooch to sit the next pressers). But I’m not sure it served the Tour’s “best players, tournaments and fields in the world” argument to watch Bryson, DJ and Brooks with…JT Poston.

Sean Zak, Editor-in-Chief (@sean_zak): How about three! The Irish Open was also happening. Competition in this sense is just watered down fields. The LIV field is not good. The PGA Tour field is not good. The DP World Tour board was not good. JP McManus’ pro-am would blow them all out of the water. The bottom line is that it’s okay not to have pro golf every week.

Josh Sens, Senior Writer (@joshsens): Alright, Sean. There is no market for so much golf, at least not a market that justifies the money that many players would say they deserve. As for the two events that took place in the United States, what I mainly take away is that they underscored how the fault lines in the golf fandom seem to be solidifying, with both sides shouting insults back and forth. The parallels with our politics are as daunting as they are obvious.

2. As far as the actual game goes, Branden Grace won and cashed the biggest check of his life ($4 million), and the team of Dustin Johnson, Patrick Reed, Talor Gooch and Pat Perez won the game tag team of the event, with Perez earning around a cool million, despite shooting on a Saturday 80. What do we do with all this? While there is something to be said for playing for big money, could the quality of the game diminish if players always take home a huge amount of money, regardless of their finish?

Greg Norman

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By:

Nick Piastowski



Colgan: I think there’s something about the team format, even if the current use of LIV is wonky and inauthentic. Almost every other major professional sport thrives on fan allegiances and rivalries with certain teams. Why wouldn’t it work in golf?

Zac: Dustin Johnson said he is After motivated to win LIV events than normal Tour events, given the size of the purse. Hmm! So maybe it’s a question of money? It always has been. But I still don’t buy what DJ sells. I bet he is working harder from home this week before St. Andrews than he was for LIV Portland.

Meaning : DJ cried after winning the Masters. I have no doubt that money motivates him, but playing for meaningful trophies does too. Whether guys like him can continue to do both in the long run will be a huge factor in how this fight plays out. As to whether big guaranteed paydays hurt or help the quality of the game, I don’t know. The more important question is whether it makes things more interesting for fans. In my view, that is not the case.

3. Two events, does LIV work?

Majed Al Sorour, Greg Norman

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By:

Nick Piastowski



Colgan: If your definition of success is “creating a legitimate rival to the PGA Tour product for players,” then yes, LIV has been successful through two events. There are real events, paying big money and attracting legitimate professional players. If your definition of success is “creating a legitimate rival to the PGA Tour product for the fans”, then no, it wasn’t a success. Thanks to two events, there hasn’t been a single compelling reason to watch the product on the course.

Zac: LIV London was all about reaching the finish line. Get an event completed. LIV Portland was on the run, opening up the content wheel, and apparently Greg Norman becoming much more visible. Standardization works to some extent. The biggest story of the week is that LIV is kicking off its 14-event season an entire year ahead of schedule. This means they to know they will double their number of contracted players over the next 6-8 months. This is huge proof that they think it works.

Meaning : I agree with James in the first definition of “work”, and it will continue to work that way as long as the Saudis keep the tap open.

4. The PGA Tour and DP World Tour have not gone without fighting back, as they have strengthened their alliance in a new 13-year joint operating agreement between their organisations. As part of the arrangement, the PGA Tour will increase its stake in European Tour Productions from 15% to 40%, providing a cash injection to increase purses, and the arrangement also ensures that from 2023, the 10 top finishers on the DP World Tour will receive a PGA Tour card for the following season. Good shots? Not enough?

Jay Monahan Keith Pelley

With LIV imminent, PGA Tour and DP World Tour strengthen their alliance

By:

Josh Sens



Colgan: He does not seem anybody satisfied with the current arrangement between the PGA and DP World tours. Will more money solve this? I do not know. But I think it’s a good thing for the morally upright version of the future of golf that the two major professional circuits are working together.

Zac: Big moves. Strong and lasting gestures. But movements whose effect we will not see for many, many months. As noted above, the biggest deal this week is that LIV is moving forward with its rollout plan even faster than previously imagined. And in the meantime, will we wait for the strategic alliance to prove itself until the end of 2023?

Meaning : I don’t know what other moves the tours might make, but I also don’t know if they’ll be enough to win the fight they’re trying to win. What all these convulsions seem to indicate is that the four majors have an even greater chance of gaining primacy, with golf starting to look more and more like tennis, with a small handful of events that mean a ton for the players. fans and players, and the rest of the calendar filled with events from the toughest fans.

5. A notable rules sequence occurred during the LIV game on Friday, when Brooks Koepka hit his ball in the water and then was able to watch a TV camera to determine where his ball crossed the red line in order to make his fall. Now this won’t work for us regular hacks, but would you like to see in-game replay for rules dilemmas where available?

Koepka streams

‘Opinions change’: Brooks Koepka explains LIV’s decision in tense presser

By:

Dylan Dethier



Colgan: Replay has been a horrible, no good, very bad addition to every major professional sport. It’s a pandora’s box full of nonsense. An absolute pacing nightmare. A shitty cacophony. No, it’s not a good idea to add that to golf.

Zac: It would be a slippery slope to GPS trackers in golf balls. Until baseball commands robot umpires, golf should also be played with the naked eye.

Meaning : If that could be done without slowing down the game – a big if, I realize – I think that would be a good thing. Of course, there have been a lot of hiccups with golf replays. But the video reviews also led to greater clarity in some important moments. They even helped bring about some clever rule changes.

6. Psst… Tiger Woods plays golf Monday and Tuesday at the JP McManus pro-am in Ireland. And again the following week at The Open Championship, in what will be his first official start since the PGA Championship. What do you expect from him before the last major tournament of the year?

Colgan: I’m looking to see Tiger walk four consecutive days on a relatively flat golf course without his gait or swing collapsing. I think that we will be look at this. And if the wind picks up, watch out – with the distance factor eased, he might just be thinking about picking his way through.

adare mansion tiger wood

The biggest pro-am in the world? Tiger, Rory and all the top stars are playing it this week

By:

Sean Zac



Zac: It’s not what I want to see from Tiger as much as what I want to see from Mother Nature. It will be sunny and DRY all week in St. Andrews. The course was rather soft last week. He is firming up and will be very firm by the time practice rounds begin next week. It’s great for TW.

Meaning : While we watch the weather, let’s hope for some wind. If it’s calm, these guys will do things on the Old Course that we don’t want to see, no matter how firm and fast it is. As for Tiger this week, I’m with James. It is for him to be able to walk and swing without too much pain.

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